[600MRG] EIRP

[Marshall Cross]

As long as the earth remains finitely conducting, can't use eirp, rather do it as fcc does for am broadcasting band. 73, Marshall, W1HK, #41

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From: 600MRG [mailto:600mrg-bounces at w7ekb.com] On Behalf Of Warren K2ORS
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 4:57 PM
To: 600mrg at w7ekb.com
Subject: Re: [600MRG] EIRP

Jim,

    Don't hold your breath waiting for the FCC to grant an amateur allocation. The framework was established at WRC 2012 3 years ago and more than 2 dozen countries have amateur allocations, no word on when the FCC might consider it other than they would like to get the 137kHz amateur allocation issue cleared first (likely they will deny it based on overwhelming power industry opposition).

    The ARRL 500kHz license was first applied for in 2004 (issued 2005), since that time approximately 10% of the WD2XSH licensees have passed away, half of SK's never got on the air.

     It's possible that one could die of old age before the FCC acts on 500kHz, and there is no guarantee that if they act they will create an amateur allocation; its about a 50-50 chance IMO.

73 Warren


On 1/27/2015 4:27 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
> I wonder how this will all sort out? How many hams will buy or build 
> an RF ammeter and go through all the calculations to stay within legal limits?
>
> 73
>
> Jim ab3cv
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Eric NO3M <no3m at no3m.net> wrote:
>
>> An additional reference from FCC: https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/
>> comments/GetPublishedDocument.html?id=204&tn=255011
>>
>> WRC-2012 and most countries are defining 630M power limits in terms 
>> of EIRP, and most likely, also the FCC when they get around to it. 
>> However, many experimenters in the US refer to their power in terms of ERP.
>> Therefore, what is claimed as 5W ERP is 8.2W EIRP.
>>
>> ERP = EIRP / 1.64
>> EIRP = ERP * 1.64
>>
>> (per definition, ideal dipole [free-space?] has 2.15 dBi gain over 
>> isotropic radiator, or 1.64 numerical gain).
>>
>> So, if you are running 5W ERP, cut it back to 3W ERP to get 5W EIRP.
>>
>> This all begs the question..... does anyone really know what power 
>> they're running other than what's coming out of the final amplifier 
>> stage?!?  I'm sure most of pretty darn close though.
>>
>> 73 Eric NO3M / WG2XJM
>>
>>
>> On 01/27/2015 01:24 PM, Rudy Severns wrote:
>>
>>> Ed raised a question on my calculation of EIRP to Pr, radiated power.
>>> According to Fritz's note on the standard definitions ERP is defined 
>>> with a different reference from EIRP!  ERP is referenced to a 
>>> "dipole" in free space while EIRP is referenced to an "isotropic" 
>>> radiator.  I find that distinction bizarre but from Fritz's note 
>>> that appears to be what the FCC has done.  Neil's (XSV) posting last 
>>> week on this subject has not only the calculations but Fritz's 
>>> original note.  If you think Fritz's interpretation is wrong now 
>>> would be great time to sort it out.  A couple of weeks ago I 
>>> misinterpreted it, using an elaborate explanation, and bought us an 
>>> extra
>>> 3
>>> dB.  It was very disappointing to lose that.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73, Rudy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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