[600MRG] 600MRG Digest, Vol 78, Issue 33

Thu Oct 19 13:08:54 CDT 2017

Hi Jim,

Waste no time or $$ on noisy ( rx ) complicated verticals but just take 
one piece of wire in a vertical loop configuration with as much area on 
the inside of the L' x W' and tune it with a vacuum cap.. Couple to 
Tx/Rx with toroid...
This loop is approx 600' around and starts about 8' off the deck with 
about 60' vertical runs at each end and about 200' horizontal...
That's all I use here and it tunes right down to 17.2 khz for ( SAQ ) 
and up to 160m, my best all around antenna in the farm...
Is VERY quiet listening antenna...

I built and tuned and licensed directional AM arrays and know the waste 
of time and $$$...

Good luck TX and RX from DaveR, AA1A

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>     1. Re: 2200M Denial! (Dexter McIntyre W4DEX)
>     2. Re: 2200M Denial! (John Andrews)
>     3. Re: receptions last night (William E. Isakson)
>     4. Re: experimental stations. (STEVE MCDONALD)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:27:45 -0400
> From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX <dexter.mc at gmail.com>
> To: John Andrews <w1tag at charter.net>
> Cc: "600mrg at w7ekb.com" <600mrg at w7ekb.com>
> Subject: Re: [600MRG] 2200M Denial!
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> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 6:40 PM, John Andrews <w1tag at charter.net> wrote:
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>> Interesting. UTC has denied my operation on 2200M from my Holden, MA QTH.
>
>
> John,
>
> That's like "a black fly in your Chardonnay".  Ironic that you, of all
> people, would be denied 2200 meters after all the years operating the
> band.   Hopefully you'll find a way around this restriction.
>
> For the past few years every time I spotted a power substation I would look
> for evidence of a PCL line trap.  So far I've not found one.  There are
> lots of pictures online of these coils.
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=plc+line+traps&safe=active&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjOw-my1vrWAhUBdCYKHQtqAmYQ_AUICygC&biw=1440&bih=790
>
> It looks like most are in a readily visible location.  There is a 100KV
> line a few hundred feet from my home that links two substations.  I'm about
> in the middle with each substation about 3 miles away.  No indication of a
> line traps at either.  I assume there are many more substations in your
> area so not likely you would find the one with PLC equipment.   I wonder if
> anyone has seen any indication of this old technology in use.
>
> Dex
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 13:58:10 -0400
> From: John Andrews <w1tag at charter.net>
> To: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX <dexter.mc at gmail.com>
> Cc: "600mrg at w7ekb.com" <600mrg at w7ekb.com>
> Subject: Re: [600MRG] 2200M Denial!
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> Dex,
>
> When we get back to Massachusetts full-time at the end of this month, I
> will be doing some research. There's no substation really nearby, but
> I'll do some driving around. I also plan to do a little camping in the
> woods near the <1km lines to see what I can hear/see with an SDR and a
> laptop. That'll be lighter than carrying the old Rycom meter around!
>
> I don't intend to raise any questions with UTC right away. Need to get
> better educated first.
>
> John, W1TAG
>
> On 10/18/2017 1:27 PM, Dexter McIntyre W4DEX wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 6:40 PM, John Andrews <w1tag at charter.net
>> <mailto:w1tag at charter.net>> wrote:
>>
>>      Interesting. UTC has denied my operation on 2200M from my Holden, MA
>>      QTH.
>>
>>
>>
>> John,
>>
>> That's like "a black fly in your Chardonnay". ?Ironic that you, of all
>> people, would be denied 2200 meters after all the years operating the
>> band.? ?Hopefully you'll find a way around this restriction.
>>
>> For the past few years every time I spotted a power substation I would
>> look for evidence of a PCL line trap.? So far I've not found one.? There
>> are lots of pictures online of these coils.
>>
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=plc+line+traps&safe=active&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjOw-my1vrWAhUBdCYKHQtqAmYQ_AUICygC&biw=1440&bih=790
>>
>> It looks like most are in a readily visible location.? There is a 100KV
>> line a few hundred feet from my home that links two substations.? I'm
>> about in the middle with each substation about 3 miles away.? No
>> indication of a line traps at either.? I assume there are many more
>> substations in your area so not likely you would find the one with PLC
>> equipment.? ?I wonder if anyone has seen any indication of this old
>> technology in use.
>>
>> Dex
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 12:21:02 -0700
> From: "William E. Isakson" <bill.isakson at gmail.com>
> To: 600 meter new list <600mrg at w7ekb.com>
> Subject: Re: [600MRG] receptions last night
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> my bad.  the times I indicated in yesterday's reception report were wrong.
> I discovered that the clock I was using is more than ten minutes off.   It
> has been some time, several years, since I have looked at that clock and
> there have been numerous short power outages over that time which I think
> is the cause of the time slippage.
> Bill
>
> --------
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>
> Bill Isakson     AC6QV
> Roseburg, Oregon USA
> bill.isakson at gmail.com
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>
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 11:54 AM, William E. Isakson <bill.isakson at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>> There was a rare low noise at my house last night and I listened at 475.37
>> KHz from 0328 UTC to 0348 UTC.   The following stations were heard
>> W7RNB  559 (Rudy just to the north of me gave him a 579)  15 minutes later
>> he was on again with 579
>> N6LF  579   he must have something directional that shines away from me or
>> he would be pegging the s meter
>> VE7CA 559
>> W0YSE 559  (W7RNB gave him 539)
>> I am thinking there was another but it is not on the paper I am reading
>> from.
>>
>> The receive station was an old Kenwood R5000 receiver with a voltage probe
>> whip up about 12 feet on a two x four out in the yard.
>>
>> Meanwhile, I have not heard either APPROVE or DISAPPROVE from the UTC on
>> my application from Sept 15, So I am going to start reassembling my station
>> which was taken down when I moved from the San Francisco Bay Area to here
>> in Roseburg Oregon.  That is, it became an assumed approve since it is past
>> their deadline.   There is something that makes me a bit jittery about
>> this, of course, since there is a long distance power line within 2000 feet
>> of my house.   I just do not know what frequencies they are using for their
>> PLCs, certainly I cannot hear them in band.
>> Bill
>>
>> --------
>>
>>
>> Bill Isakson     AC6QV
>> Roseburg, Oregon USA
>> bill.isakson at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 14:42:01 -0600 (MDT)
> From: STEVE MCDONALD <ve7sl at shaw.ca>
> To: jrusgrove at comcast.net
> Cc: patrick hamel <pehamel at cableone.net>, J Mcvey <ac2eu at yahoo.com>,
> 	600mrg at w7ekb.com
> Subject: Re: [600MRG] experimental stations.
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> I think that only solves half of the problem as those in the 'amateur service' are prohibited from communicating with stations in any of the other services...at least here in Canada.
>
> Steve VE7SL
>
>
>
>
>
> From: jrusgrove at comcast.net
> To: "patrick hamel" <pehamel at cableone.net>, "J Mcvey" <ac2eu at yahoo.com>
> Cc: 600mrg at w7ekb.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 6:09:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [600MRG] experimental stations.
>
> Some of the Part 5 experimental licences were written (and approved) such that
> they can QSO amateur stations as well as other Part 5 stations.
>
> Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: patrick hamel <pehamel at cableone.net>
> To: J Mcvey <ac2eu at yahoo.com>
> Cc: <600mrg at w7ekb.com>
> Sent: 10/17/2017 8:30:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [600MRG] experimental stations.
>
>
> The experimental licenses are still valid.
> They cannot QSO hams.
> 73,
> Pat W5THT & WD2XSH/6
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J Mcvey" <ac2eu at yahoo.com>
> To: 600mrg at w7ekb.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 7:11:37 PM
> Subject: [600MRG] experimental stations.
>
> I'm listening to and experimental station right now on 471 Khz .Are they grandfathered to the original frequency grant?
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 03:11:38 +0000 (UTC)
> From: J Mcvey <ac2eu at yahoo.com>
> To: 600MRG <600mrg at w7ekb.com>
> Subject: [600MRG] Antennas
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> Before it gets too cold , I thought that I might attempt some kind of antenna system. for 630M.
> The longest disatance stations I 've montored for WSPR in the last few days at my fn21 location were W8RUT(en80) and N3FL(fm19).
> I was wondering what type antennas they are using if they are on this list.Are most of you guys using T antennas? Inquiring minds want to know...
> ThankJim, AC2EU
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